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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

What a brilliant piece! You parse so much here, Mary.

I will recommend the 'Borrowed Time' to my book club. The timing is perfect, as we recently finished two novels by Madeline Miller - 'Cerce' and 'Song of Achilles'. Gods and immortality.

Quick aside - I remember little of my life as a student, but I never forgot Nietzsche's comments on Greek Gods -who he said served as ongoing repositories for human guilt; crops don't come in - there's a god for that; wife left you, a god is to blame, etc. - VS the Christian God, where believers become the repository of guilt for everything bad that happens to them; it's you, you original sinner, pray harder.

He saw the former as having a major upside - blame a god and get on with life without it weighing you down and the latter as, well the opposite, we carry our guilt with us and overtime it does weigh us down.

Immortality eliminates an essential context, doesn't it and all our meaning, as physical beings, comes out of context. Meaning is dependent on its context. This certainly could explain the pettiness of the Greek Gods, their constant fighting and vindictiveness. They were both haughty and above mortals - and loved toying with them - (remind you of anyone?) but they were also envious our meaning.

Such a rich subject. I wonder if those guys who brought down Atlantis via technology are back in the form of these transhumanists and giving it all another go?

"The confusion and disorientation I felt, that we all feel at the prospect of dying, is not because we refuse to face the “reality” of dying; it’s because we know the real reality of our immortality. We know, in our deepest knowing, that our “true being” will live far beyond this earthly existence. We know what is real. But we forget, all too easily." 🎯

Agree. Wisdom or insight so often comes to us in paradox. Embracing our limited mortality, opens us up to our infinite aspects. So beautifully said, Mary.

I was fully unfamiliar with TSM. (And happy in my ignorance so thanks for that.😊)

And yeah, using 'soul' to move towards synthetic technology is weird. Unless you believe - as one of the pillars asserts - that God is technological.

Yes, there is a fear of death going on and a fundamental misunderstanding too. (I mean attempting to capture via technology the immortal soul is just...idiotic.)

"Because when Martine, and the rest of the frightened overlords, the ersatz immortality junkies, realize — and that’s a when, not an if — that a soul is not something that can ever be captured, that God is not technical, it’s game over." 💯

I can't help but feel this whole endeavor - capturing life essence, pinning the qualities we love, into a digital or robotic world of supposed permanence - these are the endeavors of people suffering from the infection (via infiltration) of an anti-human mind virus.

An energetic capture.

I think this is what's really going on. The good news is it exists at a set bandwidth and we can easily move beyond it.

Gonna reread. (Not gonna spend any time at all trying to empathize with a machine on the brink of sentience.)

Great piece! Best.

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Ha! What a great line to leave us with! Fantastic series of posts. Sheesh, we’re so far away from understanding consciousness, are we really trying to imbue machines with it? What grand folly.

Lots of food for thought here and another book to add to my long running cue. Thanks, Mary. What a wonderful read!

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